# Problem with openGl and Doom 3 **URL:** \ **Category:** OpenGL: User Software\ **Created:** [September 15, 2004, 3:50am UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922 "2004-09-15T03:50:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2004, 3:50am UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/1 "2004-09-15T03:50:00Z")
Hi, i have a big problem with doom 3 and openGl. My video card is ATI FIRE GL 8800 with the last available driver. Please help to solve. The error message is: ## 2411 MHz Intel CPU with MMX & SSE & SSE2 1024 MB System Memory 128 MB Video Memory Winsock Initialized Hostname: mlx-computer IP: 14.0.169.50 doom using MMX & SSE & SSE2 for SIMD processing enabled Flush-To-Zero mode enabled Denormals-Are-Zero mode ------ Initializing File System ------ Current search path: E:\Doom 3/base E:\Doom 3\base\zpak000.pk4 (950 files) E:\Doom 3\base\pak004.pk4 (5137 files) E:\Doom 3\base\pak003.pk4 (4676 files) E:\Doom 3\base\pak002.pk4 (6120 files) E:\Doom 3\base\pak001.pk4 (8972 files) E:\Doom 3\base\pak000.pk4 (2698 files) E:\Doom 3\base\game00.pk4 (2 files) game DLL: 0x0 in pak: 0x0 file system initialized. ## ----- Initializing Decls ----- ## ------- Initializing renderSystem -------- using ARB renderSystem renderSystem initialized. ## 4966 strings read from strings/english.lang Couldn’t open journal files execing editor.cfg execing default.cfg execing DoomConfig.cfg couldn’t exec autoexec.cfg 4967 strings read from strings/italian.lang ----- Initializing Sound System ------ sound system initialized. ----- R\_InitOpenGL ----- Initializing OpenGL subsystem …registered window class …registered fake window class …initializing QGL …calling LoadLibrary( ‘opengl32’ ): succeeded Couldn’t find proc address for: wglGetExtensionsStringARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglSwapIntervalEXT Couldn’t find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribivARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribfvARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglChoosePixelFormatARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglCreatePbufferARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglGetPbufferDCARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglReleasePbufferDCARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglDestroyPbufferARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglQueryPbufferARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglBindTexImageARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglReleaseTexImageARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglSetPbufferAttribARB …calling CDS: ok …created window @ 0,0 (800x600) Initializing OpenGL driver …getting DC: succeeded …attempting to use stereo …PIXELFORMAT 7 selected …creating GL context: succeeded …making context current: succeeded Couldn’t find proc address for: wglGetExtensionsStringARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglSwapIntervalEXT Couldn’t find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribivARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribfvARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglChoosePixelFormatARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglCreatePbufferARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglGetPbufferDCARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglReleasePbufferDCARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglDestroyPbufferARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglQueryPbufferARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglBindTexImageARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglReleaseTexImageARB Couldn’t find proc address for: wglSetPbufferAttribARB ## ------- Input Initialization ------- Initializing DirectInput… mouse: DirectInput initialized. keyboard: DirectInput initialized. sound: STEREO X…GL\_ARB\_multitexture not found X…GL\_ARB\_texture\_env\_combine not found X…GL\_ARB\_texture\_cube\_map not found X…GL\_ARB\_texture\_env\_dot3 not found X…GL\_ARB\_texture\_env\_add not found X…GL\_ARB\_texture\_non\_power\_of\_two not found X…GL\_ARB\_texture\_compression not found X…GL\_EXT\_texture\_filter\_anisotropic not found X…GL\_EXT\_texture\_lod not found X…GL\_1.4\_texture\_lod\_bias not found X…GL\_EXT\_shared\_texture\_palette not found X…GL\_EXT\_texture3D not found X…GL\_EXT\_stencil\_wrap not found X…GL\_NV\_register\_combiners not found X…GL\_EXT\_stencil\_two\_side not found X…GL\_ATI\_separate\_stencil not found X…GL\_ATI\_fragment\_shader not found X…GL\_ARB\_vertex\_buffer\_object not found X…GL\_ARB\_vertex\_program not found X…GL\_ARB\_fragment\_program not found * * * ERROR: The current video card / driver combination does not support the necessary features * * * Error during initialization Shutting down OpenGL subsystem …wglMakeCurrent( NULL, NULL ): success …deleting GL context: success …releasing DC: success …destroying window …resetting display …shutting down QGL …unloading OpenGL DLL ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2004, 1:36pm UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/2 "2004-09-18T13:36:00Z")
It appears you are stuck with the MS software OpenGL implementation. Are you entirely sure that the ATI drivers are installed correctly because it doesnt looks like they are. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2004, 11:48am UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/3 "2004-09-19T11:48:00Z")
Yes i’m sure, i’ve installed them more than 10 times, and i also have formatted my hard disk… but after that nothing has changed… What is MS implementation? Is possible to solve it? Please HELP!!! Thanks ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2004, 12:18pm UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/4 "2004-09-19T12:18:00Z")
1st) The MS software implementation is a fallback solution. It does everything in software, therefore is extremly slow and only supports OpenGL V1.1 functionality. 2nd) What you could do is start-\>run-\>regedit And then goto: ```auto HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/WINDOWS NT/CurrentVersion/OpenGLDrivers [\code] Can you tell us what subfolders there are and list their content. ``` ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2004, 7:14am UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/5 "2004-09-26T07:14:00Z")
So, i go in the subfolder on regedit. This is the content: OpenGLDrivers\Atifglws dll Reg\_SZ Atioglgl.dll Driverversion Reg\_DWORD 0x00000001 (1) Flags Reg\_DWORD 0x00000001 (2) Version Reg\_DWORD 0x00000002 (3) Nothing else. Now what can i do? Thanks for help! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2004, 10:22pm UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/6 "2004-09-27T22:22:00Z")
Looks good to me, could you check if the file “Atioglgl.dll” is located in the “System32” folder? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 7:15am UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/7 "2004-09-28T07:15:00Z")
Yes it is. Is a 6.3 MB file. There are many other files named ati\*.\* in the system32 directory. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 9:37pm UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/8 "2004-09-28T21:37:00Z")
i got a nvidia GeForce 4 Ti 4200 & im getting an error msg while running doom 3 on my XP SP1 ```auto 1395 MHz Intel CPU with MMX & SSE & SSE2 384 MB System Memory 128 MB Video Memory Winsock Initialized Hostname: p178ullw0rk5h0p IP: 62.150.188.210 doom using MMX & SSE & SSE2 for SIMD processing enabled Flush-To-Zero mode ------ Initializing File System ------ Current search path: D:\Games\Doom 3/base D:\Games\Doom 3\base\pak004.pk4 (5137 files) D:\Games\Doom 3\base\pak003.pk4 (4676 files) D:\Games\Doom 3\base\pak002.pk4 (6120 files) D:\Games\Doom 3\base\pak001.pk4 (8972 files) D:\Games\Doom 3\base\pak000.pk4 (2698 files) D:\Games\Doom 3\base\game00.pk4 (2 files) game DLL: 0x0 in pak: 0x0 file system initialized. -------------------------------------- ----- Initializing Decls ----- ------------------------------ ------- Initializing renderSystem -------- using ARB renderSystem renderSystem initialized. -------------------------------------- 4966 strings read from strings/english.lang Couldn't open journal files execing editor.cfg execing default.cfg couldn't exec DoomConfig.cfg couldn't exec autoexec.cfg 4966 strings read from strings/english.lang ----- Initializing Sound System ------ sound system initialized. -------------------------------------- ----- R_InitOpenGL ----- Initializing OpenGL subsystem ...registered window class ...registered fake window class ...initializing QGL ...calling LoadLibrary( 'opengl32' ): succeeded Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetExtensionsStringARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglSwapIntervalEXT Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribivARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribfvARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglChoosePixelFormatARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglCreatePbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPbufferDCARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglReleasePbufferDCARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglDestroyPbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglQueryPbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglBindTexImageARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglReleaseTexImageARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglSetPbufferAttribARB ...calling CDS: ok ...created window @ 0,0 (640x480) Initializing OpenGL driver ...getting DC: succeeded ...attempting to use stereo ...PIXELFORMAT 7 selected ...creating GL context: succeeded ...making context current: succeeded Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetExtensionsStringARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglSwapIntervalEXT Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribivARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribfvARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglChoosePixelFormatARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglCreatePbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPbufferDCARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglReleasePbufferDCARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglDestroyPbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglQueryPbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglBindTexImageARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglReleaseTexImageARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglSetPbufferAttribARB ------- Input Initialization ------- Initializing DirectInput... mouse: DirectInput initialized. keyboard: DirectInput initialized. ------------------------------------ sound: STEREO X..GL_ARB_multitexture not found X..GL_ARB_texture_env_combine not found X..GL_ARB_texture_cube_map not found X..GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 not found X..GL_ARB_texture_env_add not found X..GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two not found X..GL_ARB_texture_compression not found X..GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic not found X..GL_EXT_texture_lod not found X..GL_1.4_texture_lod_bias not found X..GL_EXT_shared_texture_palette not found X..GL_EXT_texture3D not found X..GL_EXT_stencil_wrap not found X..GL_NV_register_combiners not found X..GL_EXT_stencil_two_side not found X..GL_ATI_separate_stencil not found X..GL_ATI_fragment_shader not found X..GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object not found X..GL_ARB_vertex_program not found X..GL_ARB_fragment_program not found ******************** ERROR: The current video card / driver combination does not support the necessary features ******************** Error during initialization Shutting down OpenGL subsystem ...wglMakeCurrent( NULL, NULL ): success ...deleting GL context: success ...releasing DC: success ...destroying window ...resetting display ...shutting down QGL ...unloading OpenGL DLL ``` i cant find a HKEY\_LOCAL\_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/WINDOWS NT/CurrentVersion/OpenGLDrivers it doesnt exist wat do i do? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 9:44pm UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/9 "2004-09-28T21:44:00Z")
actually its there. just found it HKEY\_LOCAL\_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\OpenGLDrivers\RIVATNT Dll REG\_SZ nvoglnt DriverVersion REG\_DWORD 0x00010000 (65536) Flags REG\_DWORD 0x00000001 (1) Version REG\_DWORD 0x00000002 (2) C:\WINDOWS\system32 voglnt.dll size 5.02mb file version 6.14.10.6670 wat is the problem ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 9:51pm UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/10 "2004-09-28T21:51:00Z")
im trying this link posted on this forum. ill get back to u ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2004, 10:08pm UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/11 "2004-09-28T22:08:00Z")
installed it i get a similar error ```auto 1395 MHz Intel CPU with MMX & SSE & SSE2 384 MB System Memory 128 MB Video Memory Winsock Initialized Hostname: p178ullw0rk5h0p IP: 62.150.181.237 doom using MMX & SSE & SSE2 for SIMD processing enabled Flush-To-Zero mode ------ Initializing File System ------ Current search path: D:\Games\Doom 3/base D:\Games\Doom 3\base\pak004.pk4 (5137 files) D:\Games\Doom 3\base\pak003.pk4 (4676 files) D:\Games\Doom 3\base\pak002.pk4 (6120 files) D:\Games\Doom 3\base\pak001.pk4 (8972 files) D:\Games\Doom 3\base\pak000.pk4 (2698 files) D:\Games\Doom 3\base\game00.pk4 (2 files) game DLL: 0x0 in pak: 0x0 file system initialized. -------------------------------------- ----- Initializing Decls ----- ------------------------------ ------- Initializing renderSystem -------- using ARB renderSystem renderSystem initialized. -------------------------------------- 4966 strings read from strings/english.lang Couldn't open journal files execing editor.cfg execing default.cfg couldn't exec DoomConfig.cfg couldn't exec autoexec.cfg 4966 strings read from strings/english.lang ----- Initializing Sound System ------ sound system initialized. -------------------------------------- ----- R_InitOpenGL ----- Initializing OpenGL subsystem ...registered window class ...registered fake window class ...initializing QGL ...calling LoadLibrary( 'opengl32' ): succeeded Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetExtensionsStringARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglSwapIntervalEXT Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribivARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribfvARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglChoosePixelFormatARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglCreatePbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPbufferDCARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglReleasePbufferDCARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglDestroyPbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglQueryPbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglBindTexImageARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglReleaseTexImageARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglSetPbufferAttribARB ...calling CDS: ok ...created window @ 0,0 (640x480) Initializing OpenGL driver ...getting DC: succeeded ...attempting to use stereo ...PIXELFORMAT 7 selected ...creating GL context: succeeded ...making context current: succeeded Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetExtensionsStringARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglSwapIntervalEXT Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribivARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPixelFormatAttribfvARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglChoosePixelFormatARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglCreatePbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglGetPbufferDCARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglReleasePbufferDCARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglDestroyPbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglQueryPbufferARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglBindTexImageARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglReleaseTexImageARB Couldn't find proc address for: wglSetPbufferAttribARB ------- Input Initialization ------- Initializing DirectInput... mouse: DirectInput initialized. keyboard: DirectInput initialized. ------------------------------------ sound: STEREO X..GL_ARB_multitexture not found X..GL_ARB_texture_env_combine not found X..GL_ARB_texture_cube_map not found X..GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 not found X..GL_ARB_texture_env_add not found X..GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two not found X..GL_ARB_texture_compression not found X..GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic not found X..GL_EXT_texture_lod not found X..GL_1.4_texture_lod_bias not found X..GL_EXT_shared_texture_palette not found X..GL_EXT_texture3D not found X..GL_EXT_stencil_wrap not found X..GL_NV_register_combiners not found X..GL_EXT_stencil_two_side not found X..GL_ATI_separate_stencil not found X..GL_ATI_fragment_shader not found X..GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object not found X..GL_ARB_vertex_program not found X..GL_ARB_fragment_program not found ******************** ERROR: The current video card / driver combination does not support the necessary features ******************** Error during initialization Shutting down OpenGL subsystem ...wglMakeCurrent( NULL, NULL ): success ...deleting GL context: success ...releasing DC: success ...destroying window ...resetting display ...shutting down QGL ...unloading OpenGL DLL ``` do smething ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/12 "2004-09-29T02:16:00Z")
winXPHE thanks for hijacking and spamming this thread. > Originally posted by \: > do smething > You are in no position to demand anything on this board, people help here because they like to. In your case, I dont. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2004, 8:07am UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/13 "2004-09-29T08:07:00Z")
hey i was looking for help n i thought this was the right place n the quote \*\*\*\* was coz i was desperate, it was not that i was demanding. n i wasnt hijacking he had the same trouble i did so i dint wanna start a new topic now if u wanna act smart, u can suck my dick u lousy \*\*\*\*; ill find help smewhere better. i got better things to do than explain to \*\*\*\*heads like urself ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2004, 8:43am UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/14 "2004-09-29T08:43:00Z")
_yawn_ ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2004, 12:40am UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/15 "2004-09-30T00:40:00Z")
Oh no… What are you doing winXPHE, are you stupid??? Here there are people that are helping me to solve my problem (that is also your problem as i see…) so why you offend qwerty77 that is the only one that helped me??? So qwerty77 i’m sorry for people stupidity. If you can help me but you don’t want to help this stupid man please conctat privately me at [mlx@fastwebnet.it](mailto:mlx@fastwebnet.it) Thank you again for any help! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2004, 12:18pm UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/16 "2004-09-30T12:18:00Z")
Hey, i solved it!!! Thanks to all for help, at the end i find what is wrong. I have an application running in background that probably use opengl and so create a conflict with DOOM 3. This application is MATLAB. Closing matlab background application everything work fine! Thanks again to qweerty77. Bye ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2004, 12:58pm UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/17 "2004-09-30T12:58:00Z")
You are welcome. Yes, Matlab is a known culprit, sorry I did not mentioned it earlier, like I did here: [http://www.opengl.org/discussion\_boards/cgi\_directory/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get\_topic;f=1;t=003993](http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/cgi_directory/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=003993) And you dont need to apologize for winXPHE, the sun in Kuwaiti must have burned out the last bit of common sense he may had have. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://community.khronos.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/ba89cb49313a0e869198c8be354afde8bcae027e.png) [@system](https://community.khronos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2004, 5:46am UTC](https://community.khronos.org/t/problem-with-opengl-and-doom-3/9922/18 "2004-10-13T05:46:00Z")
i seriously need any gl drivers. I reinstalled quake3arena and it didnt work, it had worked perfectly before, i didnt change anything. Can anybody help. I need tha latest gl drivers…plzz 😕 if u can e-mail me back at [Pennyj1988@yahoo.com](mailto:Pennyj1988@yahoo.com)